Andrea Kleid: 0:03

So that really is the song that defined my sort of pre-adolescence, I think what?

Chris Estes: 0:10

year was that? Was that like in late 80s? Oh, it has to be late 80s.

Andrea Kleid: 0:15

I think it was like 89 or something, off the look of it. But I mean, whitney, that was the thing for me is, like you know, we look now in this world we have and look it was definitely back then but we have all of these issues, including racism. Music did something for people that no other form of art I think was able to do.

Chris Estes: 0:44

Welcome to the Power of Songs podcast, where we explore the powerful connections songs have throughout the journey of life. It's my very first guest, andrea Clyde. For everybody out there, her name is pronounced Andrea. I still get a little cringey when I hear people say, andrea, and they know you and then mostly my friends get more mad than I do.

Andrea Kleid: 1:07

It's kind of funny.

Chris Estes: 1:08

Yeah, it's funny. Look, Andrea is a sister, a best friend, a colleague, somebody that I met years ago and actually she was at their major label Word Records, Word Music, Curb Word.

Andrea Kleid: 1:24

Yeah, it was Word.

Chris Estes: 1:25

Word Word up and I was in a room full of all the leaders and some executives and it was kind of the dog and pony share by doing their pitch and immediately locked in with Andrea. And actually I was there because I was really kind of pursuing what we could do in radio with Bethel Music and she just shared her story. We just had an instant connect and I was like this is somebody that not only would I want to partner with and do business, but she just seems like a cool person and that developed over the years, I think, in our industry. Here's the last thing I say about Andrea, because there's a lot of things I could announce about you. She did break down all the walls for Bethel Music to be at radio. She got them number one. She is an amazing champion of music, of songs, which is what we're going to talk about.

Chris Estes: 2:14

But most importantly, I think here's what I was going to say about you, andrea there's people in the industry that you realize are great business partners and great business relationships. There's people that you're like, hey, we're great business relationships, good hangs, and then there's people like, hey, if we don't ever do business, we're just like, we're best friends and we are like brothers and sisters, and I don't have a lot in that category. You're definitely the one in that category, so, thank you, that's how I'd introduce you. That's who you are.

Andrea Kleid: 2:42

We've spent a lot of life together and I remember I was really trying to land that deal that day when you came into work and you basically came up to me and you said, yeah, I mean, that was fine, but you're the only one I want to work with. And I was like, oh man, okay, let's go. And then I think you tried to offer me a job soon after that and then you were my first client when I started my business on my own, which was super great, because I called you sharing potential costs that I was going to offer and you were like nope, double it.

Andrea Kleid: 3:17

Like you were you were going to be a client and you were a good friend, trying to make sure I was valuing myself well. So, just a good good as friend. You've been just as good of a friend as I've been to you, hopefully.

Chris Estes: 3:32

Yeah, that was a fun, fun. I love watching you step out and do your own thing. Which boxer poet is your company? Also, I forgot to mention you're a podcaster. You have the cat and moose, moose and cat.

Andrea Kleid: 3:47

Cat and moose podcast.

Chris Estes: 3:48

So let's get it mixed up. Cat and moose podcast. You are moose.

Andrea Kleid: 3:52

I am moose.

Chris Estes: 3:53

And it's a great podcast. It actually helped inspire me and, honestly, I feel like, since I was able to be your first client, I wanted you to be the first guest on the show. And you have a lot of music and we're going to jump into songs and it's going to be a great conversation.

Andrea Kleid: 4:07

Thanks, I'm excited. When I, when you told me you were doing this, I was like let's go. When you asked me to be your first guest, I felt like I was going to be like the bride's maid in your wedding or something. I was like, yeah, let's do it.

Chris Estes: 4:20

We should do it. Look, we can renew our. We're going to get 30 years and 40 years.

Andrea Kleid: 4:25

You know I will be here for yours and Wendy's wedding, your renewal. I'll be the pastor if you want me to be.

Chris Estes: 4:32

That would be awesome.

Chris Estes: 4:33

I would love that, so one of the cool things I think about having you on as a first guest because it's all about the power of songs and we'll talk about how that impact impacts people. Culture changes society's honestly, and I feel like radio has been a big part of your story and what you've done and how we, how we kind of connected and met. And when I thought about radio as a part of the music ecosystem and history of how music became popular into the masses, it actually was the first kind of real distribution point where it went to the masses outside of a live show. You had radio that did that. So I think that's going to be cool to dive into that aspect. What you've seen in that were both kind of from the same era of music that we love and how radios impact that, and I sent you some questions in advance to give you an opportunity to dive in.

Andrea Kleid: 5:34

Oh, it's so fun, I loved looking at them.

Chris Estes: 5:36

So I want to start with every guest, Like the first. To me, the origin story with the power of song is really like what? What was the first song you remember hearing like actually really listening to and hearing?

Andrea Kleid: 5:51

Yeah.

Andrea Kleid: 5:51

So as I was thinking through that, I told you before we got on here that I, just for the past three hours before we recorded, I've just been spending time with old music and trying to remember how those songs impacted me.

Andrea Kleid: 6:06

And you know, it's funny because as I was looking through the different dates and and eras of music, it seems that 1989 was the year that like music connected with me, and so I was. I was like 11 maybe. Um well, I'll say this 87. First, because you had, like REM and Madonna and Susan Vega and Beastie Boys and, like you know, George Michael and Prince and all those. And so the first song for me and I actually had to ask my sister about this because my memory is not great she reminded me that I walked around the neighborhood with a boombox on my shoulder so sure, a tiny Andrea doing this and listening to Michael Jackson's Thriller, and I was shocked when I saw that that song was actually out in 82 and and bad, was actually his song in 87. So I was only like four when Thriller came out, which is insane.

Chris Estes: 7:05

Yeah.

Andrea Kleid: 7:06

But for some reason that song creeped me out and, like I just thought, was so stinking cool. I remember seeing the video and being like this is an entire situation. This isn't just a song, you know, and so I don't think it was necessarily the lyrics of Thriller that caught me, but everything about that song felt so much more than just a song, and that's what music I feel like has done for me is like it takes one concept or one idea and it can be anything for anyone, you know.

Chris Estes: 7:42

Yeah.

Andrea Kleid: 7:43

So soon after Thriller, even though that was my walk around the neighborhood with my boombox song. I love that picture the song that I remember and I have a whole story that goes along with it but is Whitney Houston's. I Want to Dance with Somebody.

Chris Estes: 8:00

The funny thing is today we talked about earlier, I walked in the house and my 16 year old daughter is blasting that song on Alexa and I had to find because I knew we're walking into the podcast. I was like gosh, there's a back catalog of music that kids can access. Like you know, back in those days you had to buy it or hear on the radio or MTV played it. But now it's like she can be cleaning her room and she was listening to that song.

Andrea Kleid: 8:24

I mean how cool is that? That would be like me listening to Fleetwood Mac or something you know for my generation. I mean, when you said that I got so excited because I was like that was the song, so that really is the song that defined my sort of preadolescence, I think.

Chris Estes: 8:41

What year was that? Was that like in late 80s? Oh, it has to be late 80s.

Andrea Kleid: 8:46

I think it was like 89 or something off the look it up.

Andrea Kleid: 8:49

But I mean, whitney, that was the thing for me is, like you know, we look now in this world we have and look it was definitely back then, but we have all of these issues, including racism. Music did something for people that no other form of art I think was able to do, and I think radio was a part of that. It gave people a voice that maybe would not have a voice even in the 80s. And so when I saw and felt and heard Whitney Houston sing, I want to dance with somebody and like even when I listen to it now, like I giggle because it's like there's all these like who's in it, you know. But like I did an entire Girl Scout dance. We had like a Girl Scout talent show and I had broken my ankle right before it, but I still got up there and danced and I sang to my boyfriend in the front row that I wanted to dance with.

Andrea Kleid: 9:46

But Whitney embodied. I mean, it's such a tragic story, isn't it? A creative just like you know, losing their way, I suppose, maybe just dealing with too much pain in this world, but what an incredible voice. But on top of that, like she had an energy like nobody else, right, yeah, and you just believed everything that came out of her mouth.

Chris Estes: 10:10

Yeah, yeah, she, she was such an impact. I heard a podcast with Babyface and he was talking about he worked with Whitney and he was talking he actually was about to do a project with her again a month before she died. Clyde Davis reached out and was like hey, she wants to get back in the studio and he has a history with her. But he said, like she's such a powerhouse and he made this comment. He said R&B music, which he would put some of that in the category. He said it's always been there. You know, it's always been a part of the popular music which, to your point, crosses all those racial boundaries, like it doesn't have a race.

Chris Estes: 10:44

It has a feeling you know.

Andrea Kleid: 10:48

That's right Exactly. And you think about radio being before television. I mean, there were a lot of examples of once television became big and there were people that showed up on you know these variety shows or late night shows and you could see the look on people's faces when they realized they were black, which is insane that we even have to deal with something like that. But radio was sort of blind in that way where it was like you said, you just felt it.

Andrea Kleid: 11:17

It didn't matter who was singing it, you just you fell in love with the words and the tempo and all the things. And so, yeah, I mean it's funny that I even landed in radio, because I always wanted to do film and TV and that's what I went to school for and I had a. I had a advisor who said, hey, you've already done film and TV internships. I want you to go do a radio internship. And I was like boring. And I went to the internship that summer and I did fall in love with it because I had always been a fan of the depth of what music can do for people and how one person's experience is always connected to another person's experience.

Andrea Kleid: 12:01

And there was something magical, even though radio has become more like streaming and obviously wider and more digital and all the things. But at the beginning of my career that was what was magic about it is, it didn't matter if it was an independent artist or a signed artist. If the song was good, the song won.

Chris Estes: 12:23

Yeah, yeah. Do you remember hearing stuff that your mom and dad listened to you before that?

Andrea Kleid: 12:31

Yes, I, my mom, was a total hippie and so I remember I kind of grew up on Joni Mitchell and Bob Dylan and all of these folk lyricists, and I'm still a massive Joni Mitchell fan. I love what Brandy Carlyle has has done to bring her back into her career. But yeah, I remember the and my mom loved 50s music, and so I mean until she passed a few years ago, anytime we would travel together, like on road trips, which we both loved, we would listen to the 50s on five channel on serious XM, and so I got to know a lot of those songs which, by the way, are like a minute and a half long. Yeah, yeah, they're just like basically a chorus, like it's kind of like worship music today. It's just like let's go hard on the part.

Andrea Kleid: 13:26

It's going to be really popular.

Chris Estes: 13:27

You know how to fit them all in the vinyl, Like you had to make sure they had enough.

Andrea Kleid: 13:31

Right, it probably did have a lot to do with that. But yeah, and then my dad, he kind of liked country, which I've never really been a huge fan of, but I really got into it in the 90s and that's where I leaned into Garth Brooks and I loved Reba. And a lot that I love about 90s country is it feels truly like storytelling still back then. You know like there's so many story songs in the 90s from and it's probably the 80s, but Reba's, reba's song fancy, like, come on, that's like such a classic you know. So he kind of had that that he brought in and and I had.

Andrea Kleid: 14:13

You know he loved Shania Twain, which I still think is funny and you know cheers, but not necessarily my cup of tea but yeah, I had several influences, but my mom's probably meant the most to me, because I remember dating this guy in high school and he said. He said is it the music you listen to the most or the lyrics?

Andrea Kleid: 14:36

when you listen to a song, and without even thinking I said the lyrics, which you know of course, is a part of it, but I've always been someone who reads liner notes and wants to know who produced it. Even before I was in the music industry, I wanted to be close to that writing process. So, yeah, I'm grateful that I was introduced to a lot of those old records. I still have some of my dad's LPs. I don't necessarily listen to them, but I like having them because I know it meant a lot.

Chris Estes: 15:13

Do you remember the first music you bought, like what was the first?

Andrea Kleid: 15:16

I do. The first record, the first CD I bought, was Whitney Houston, the very first CD, and I bought it in a grocery store. So that tells you how different buying music is now. I was at a thrift way in Florence, kentucky, and when my mom would go grocery shopping I always wanted to go with her and I would just stay in that aisle and look at the new music and that was really the only way to know new music was coming. At that age I think I wasn't like reading Billboard magazine or anything. But yeah, the Whitney record was the first CD. But I remember winning a cheap trick cassette off of the local radio station and I didn't know who cheap trick was, but I was so excited to win something.

Chris Estes: 16:08

And.

Andrea Kleid: 16:08

I remember getting that tape and then I remember do you remember the band, a tribe called Quest.

Chris Estes: 16:13

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Andrea Kleid: 16:15

That was one of the early records I had as well Loved that. I thought it was so different. And then, of course, Lauren Hill. We talked about Lauren Hill before and I remember hearing that and just going I don't even know what's going on here.

Chris Estes: 16:30

Yeah, game changer. Yeah, yeah.

Andrea Kleid: 16:34

What were your first? What were some of your first albums that you got?

Chris Estes: 16:38

I think I remember so when I first started buying music was interesting because I was in Saudi Arabia for two years with my family.

Andrea Kleid: 16:46

I'm always amazed at your, I always feel like I've known you forever and I'm like oh yeah, I forget that you were in Saudi Arabia.

Chris Estes: 16:54

I was in Saudi Arabia when I was young and I remember so they had this place called the 747 shop and it was in downtown Riyadh and it was basically a tape store.

Andrea Kleid: 17:05

It was all bootleg.

Chris Estes: 17:06

So and because it was a Muslim led country they had a lot of strict rules on stuff. So I so the tapes that we got and the bootleg versions of stuff was edited covers and then the tracks could be in and out of order or missing tracks. So I remember buying like this is interesting piece. I remember buying early Ozzy Osbourne Like I was in.

Chris Estes: 17:32

I was a metalhead so my sister listened to Durand, like all the, the, the, the British invasion of like Durand, durand, boy George, all that stuff and which I liked. But then I when I started like having my own taste it was Judas Priest, ozzy Osbourne, iron Maiden, and those tapes were Ozzy's diary of a madman was called madman and it was missing two or three tracks and it was out of order. And so when I got to the United States I was, I think I was 11. So I was there when I was nine and 10. And then we came back when I was 11. And I remember kind of re-quinning myself to oh this is another track, one is actually called this, and so you.

Andrea Kleid: 18:12

you had the wrong titles memorized. That's a lie and I had stuff.

Chris Estes: 18:16

So then, when I got back, the first one I remember actually buying in a legit record store was this place called mushroom mushroom music mushroom record store. I think it was on magazine uh street in New Orleans and I was right around the corner from my house and I found $10, I think in the dryer.

Andrea Kleid: 18:36

And I was like, oh, wow, and Mollye Cruz.

Chris Estes: 18:39

Mollye Cruz Theater of Pain had just come out, I was like I'm going to get it and I went to get it, and that was one of those cassette tapes that had the fold out that went on forever. Like you, you talked about it. Yeah, the same way. I read all the credits, all the nets. It was like it was probably a 10 page fold out that came out and I wore that tape out. I remember that one.

Andrea Kleid: 18:56

That was probably the you know, what's so funny is, now that we are on the business side of music, we know what it costs to make those inserts and you know how many colors and how. You know it's so funny. That's one of the things I really miss about the physical product and I still I still collect records because of that, but I miss that experience and I know like Spotify and other places have started listing credits, but it's still. I want the full experience of like holding it in my hand and smelling it and being like okay.

Andrea Kleid: 19:32

And I would love to read in the thank yous. Now, when you're in the industry, you're curious of people. Actually, thank you. But I would always like to read the thank yous because there would always be some mysterious or inside joke that you know someone would throw in there and you'd be like who is Blondie, you know, like they would just throw in like some whatever, and you're it just added to the mystery that was happening from the artist standpoint.

Chris Estes: 19:57

I remember some of the bands would. They would even have their own member. Each member, would think, had their own thank you section. You're like, oh, who, who, who events Neil thinking this time, okay, exactly.

Andrea Kleid: 20:08

Right, you kind of understood what was going on in their world at the time. I find it interesting that you mentioned like age nine to 11 for you, because that was really when music hit me as well. It makes me wonder, like, is there something our brain is doing? Are we just getting really angsty at that point in our lives Leading into, like our teenage years?

Chris Estes: 20:29

It's so interesting. And now, kid, like you know, for us it was, you had to go out and find it. You had to hear it on the radio, or you had to go buy it, or you're you know, if you had a boombox with two cassette tapes you could, you could bootleg some for your friends, Remember doing?

Andrea Kleid: 20:43

that.

Chris Estes: 20:43

And that was how you discovered music. But now the nine and 11 year olds have access to everything Full catalogs.

Andrea Kleid: 20:50

Oh yeah.

Chris Estes: 20:51

Discover whatever. I remember that age, finding out, like you know, van Halen. I remember 1984 came out, which is a big deal on MTV, yeah, and then going back catalog, going oh gosh, like diver down all the old Van Halen stuff, I was like this is amazing.

Andrea Kleid: 21:07

Oh yeah, I still feel that way about music in like the 60s and 70s. It was just before. You know, I was born in 78. And I to this day, like probably until last year, I said I don't get the Beatles, which I know is a very unpopular thing to say, but I had respect for them, I just didn't get it. You know, I even went to the Las Vegas show and I was like, all right, I'm going to immerse myself in the Beatles but over time, I think living, you know, just creating my own playlist and then listening to other playlists that are out there.

Andrea Kleid: 21:42

You know, I've been able to gain respect for like the early Fleetwood Mac and the early you know even Beatles, even all these acts, that before, like you said, it wasn't in front of me, I wasn't going to go buy it. But in college, like I discovered Tom Petty, you know, a couple of decades late, but I remember hearing a David Gray song and going that sounds like somebody else, I know just the timbre of his voice and then I just sort of fell into this like five year obsessed with Tom Petty season, you know. But I mentioned, I mentioned the teenage years and you know, for me, like you with being a metalhead, for me it was like the angsty female artists.

Chris Estes: 22:24

Oh yeah.

Andrea Kleid: 22:25

You know, like at that age, I would say from like age 12 until I was probably like 22. I just be. I was obsessed with like a land of small size.

Chris Estes: 22:37

I was going to say when did the land is in the picture? Because she had. She had a part of it.

Andrea Kleid: 22:41

Oh, she was 100% a part of it was high school and I remember hearing Jagged a little pill. And, by the way, I just went on this epic month long road trip and the friends that were with me, we just listened to these old records and we listened to the Jagged a little pill record from front to end and we knew every word, which is incredible because I'm in grad school right now and I wish I could dump that piece of my brain so that I could gather more information.

Andrea Kleid: 23:09

It's like how does that information still stay in there? But I guess it's from our formative years. It's packed in there. But Alanis Morsat was definitely in high school and it was so I didn't really grow up. I mean, my family was Christian, but we didn't grow up in the real conservative burn your cities sort of way. So I was pretty free, although my mom did tear a cable out of the wall when she saw me watching Madonna's Like a Prayer video.

Chris Estes: 23:40

Like the burning crosses that was the line for us, that's. She always pushed the envelope.

Andrea Kleid: 23:48

Yeah, exactly, she was allowed to go that far and then that was it. But you know, madonna and Alanis and Tori Amos and Ani DeFranco oh gosh, got an apple. I remembered this.

Chris Estes: 23:59

That was like so that was, that was 90s, right Early 90s, mid 90s, I remember. I remember this and they just had such a vibe and a feeling, Like you could feel the energy.

Andrea Kleid: 24:10

Yeah, and you know we talk about this all the time, but for those people, or any grand people, like as an any grand eight, I want like truth and honesty and I want to resonate with what you're feeling and I just feel like a lot of those songwriters and I mean there's still plenty today. Let's be honest, I think Post Malone is one of the freaking coolest people I've ever lived. You know, I think he's just a genius and you know, what I love about him is the same thing I loved about these folks that I'm mentioning is like what you see feels, like what you get.

Chris Estes: 24:44

You know what I mean. Like he's not trying.

Andrea Kleid: 24:46

I'm sure there's an ego there. I'm not saying that. I'm sure he struggles with his own things, but like the people, the songwriters and artists who are the most honest, I feel like are the most authentic.

Chris Estes: 24:58

So, all right, let me ask you a question about that. What do you think about Lady Gaga In that sense? Because she does, like you know, initially her, her initial thing was like almost shock and awe, like it was so crazy. But she's such a talented musician, songwriter and, as we know now, it's very versatile.

Andrea Kleid: 25:17

Yes, yes, I think Lady Gaga. I've loved seeing her transformation. I'll say that because at the beginning I thought it was just funny, because it was it was just trying to get attention and you know the meat dress and all the weird stuff that she presented. And it's not unlike like Madonna and Brittany kissing on the Grammys or whatever show that was on or whatever you know it's just it's, it's for excitement and whatever, but I have loved seeing who she's become.

Andrea Kleid: 25:44

I love when you when not new artists, but current contemporary artists reach back into other decades and bring, bring back artists. For instance, she did that with Tony Bennett.

Chris Estes: 25:58

Yeah, love that stuff.

Andrea Kleid: 26:00

Brandy Carlisle has done it with Joni Mitchell and and with Tanya Tucker.

Chris Estes: 26:05

I mean she produced Tucker's record. And they got a Grammy for that. It was amazing. They got a Grammy for that, yeah.

Andrea Kleid: 26:10

And so so I'm I'm a big fan of Gaga. I had a hard time with her documentary.

Chris Estes: 26:18

I didn't see it was it.

Andrea Kleid: 26:20

The only reason it was hard for me is I'm, I'm. She was in a lot of physical pain and it was a lot of her sitting in a bath full of ice and at one point I just wanted to be like I can't take this anymore. The music should not be this painful. Yeah, cause she was just doing like a very intense tour. You know, and that's part of part of touring too is like we have to up the next person or out, do ourselves or all these other things. So that part was a little bit hard for me. It was a lot of crying and pain and I don't like doing that.

Andrea Kleid: 26:52

So but but as far as Gaga goes, I just think you know it's funny like when you see her stripped down and you know a lot of people. You look at the song Shallow or whatever, and it's like her voice is incredible and she is an incredible songwriter and I think she just had to kind of wean back all the craziness. But also the craziness is what brought an entire group of people to her that felt like outsiders and said, oh, that's something that is familiar to me, how can I be a part of that? And so you know her. I think her fans feel like she understands them because of her music.

Chris Estes: 27:32

Yeah, and I think that's a powerful thing about songs it gives language to feeling and to people that do feel outside and don't have something to connect to, and it's interesting how I feel like decades kind of create that new sound for that.

Andrea Kleid: 27:50

I do too.

Chris Estes: 27:51

Yeah, and you always see it happening. So where did she progress from the angsty girl?

Andrea Kleid: 27:56

I haven't.

Chris Estes: 27:57

Chris.

Andrea Kleid: 27:59

Perfect. Okay, I keep asking the question. I'll try.

Chris Estes: 28:04

So what was the next? All right, let me, let's back up. Right. So you got into radio. What was your first show? What was it like? How did you, what did you play? What was your, what was your experience with that?

Andrea Kleid: 28:17

My first show, as far as like the first concert ever went to.

Chris Estes: 28:20

Yeah, Well, on radio your first radio show, but we can talk about your concert too. What's your first concert?

Andrea Kleid: 28:26

Oh, my first concert I am kind of embarrassed of, but it shows what year it was. So new kids on the block was my first concert and I loved Donnie Wahlberg a lot.

Chris Estes: 28:40

You like, donnie, okay.

Andrea Kleid: 28:42

He was the bad boy. I'm an angsty music lover, so he was the bad boy at the time.

Chris Estes: 28:47

He was.

Andrea Kleid: 28:48

So, yeah, that that I am not as proud of. However, since then, let's see, as far as so from a professional standpoint, what was my first concert? Okay, let me think I think it was the show. It was a festival on West Palm Beach At the time. It was called Boona Duce, if you can believe that, and I think it was a. I think it was like the news boys and it was like it was like a Christian festival, that lots of people went to.

Andrea Kleid: 29:25

And that was very different for me. I did sort of fall into listening to Christian music, but it was again the angsty Christian music. It was like plump and it was like gosh, I mean some West Coast stuff. There was this band called Everybody Duck that I absolutely loved, very weird. I'm surprised you don't know them you heard a whole yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was a lot of stuff Okay.

Chris Estes: 29:50

Yeah, I'm sorry I think they changed a lot of that stuff.

Andrea Kleid: 29:53

Yeah, but yeah, I think it was Beniditious. And then do you remember the tour that went out called it was something about a carnival.

Chris Estes: 30:06

It wasn't a Christian tour.

Andrea Kleid: 30:08

Yeah, it was a Christian tour.

Chris Estes: 30:11

When was that?

Andrea Kleid: 30:13

Like early 2000s. Yeah, that was pretty there was like motorcycles and all kinds of I forget the name, but it was a big, it was yeah, I don't think I was going to Christian tours in. I hope that you slowly tell your story, yeah.

Chris Estes: 30:32

What is your share of this podcast? Because it's so good, yeah, my first Christian show, I think actually. No, I'll take that back. It was you're going to laugh. Actually I shouldn't pre laugh. I'm going to say it, and then we can both laugh.

Andrea Kleid: 30:49

Rebecca.

Chris Estes: 30:49

St James in Mobile, Alabama. She was like 16 or 17.

Andrea Kleid: 30:55

I think I was there because I went to every Rebecca, st James, I think, clay.

Chris Estes: 30:59

Cross opened for her and it was. I was a new Christian and I was like, okay, it's what we do, we go to Christian concerts. And it was interesting she was a teenage pop person and it was Well that's.

Andrea Kleid: 31:12

I mean at that age, I mean in college. I followed her, I don't know why, but I I mean we both know her well now, which is funny. But I have a picture of myself in college wearing overalls. It was a very cute picture and I'm standing next to her dad, who we also know, manager here in our industry, and he is doing a Q&A and I was asking Rebecca a question on stage and it's just so sweet because little did I know I would work with them later on, like 20 years down the road. But yeah, full circle moments like that just make you be grateful, you know, and go like okay, there's a lot of craziness in this industry, but there's also a lot of like magical, spiritual moment, yeah, and they, they stayed.

Chris Estes: 32:02

You know true to everything they've done, and I think you should bring back their overalls and put them back on a meter one time.

Andrea Kleid: 32:09

I might, I might just try it. I bet I would look super cute overalls, all right.

Chris Estes: 32:14

So what was your first radio gig Like? When you got into radio, you did the internship.

Andrea Kleid: 32:21

Yeah Well, yeah, I did. I had an internship in Cincinnati that's where I'm from at a station WNLT in Cincinnati.

Chris Estes: 32:31

Yeah.

Andrea Kleid: 32:32

And I was.

Andrea Kleid: 32:33

I was the intern, but I have this tendency to like get into a company and then find what I want to do and just go for that job. And so one of my jobs as an intern was to listen to music, which is like the coolest job in radio, to be honest and making a decision on what you're going to play. And so the music director her name was Susan I'll never forget, and she had a stack of CDs I mean stacks, stacks, stacks, stacks on her desk. And she just pointed at the desk and said, if you could listen through this and whittle it down for me that'd be great. And I just thought, I mean, it was the coolest ask ever. So I just have to sit there and listen to all of these singles, pick the version I like the best and then make her a stack, whittle it down and let her pick.

Andrea Kleid: 33:20

And I that's when I fell in love with radio, because I didn't have any, I didn't have enough background at that point. I was in my early, maybe my late teens, early 20s, but I didn't understand that there's maybe a format of what a song needs to be in order to hit the radio. Obviously, that's my job now, but I just found songs that meant something to me.

Chris Estes: 33:48

What kind of programming was the radio? Was it like pop or mainstream?

Andrea Kleid: 33:52

Yeah, it was like Christian AC. It was pretty back then. It wasn't as homogenized as it is now. There was a lot of differences. You could play kind of something that leaned R&B next to something that was more of a ballad. It just wasn't quite as homogenized as it is now. I just listened for what felt important, that's, the songs I set aside were things that made me feel something. That's where I had the opportunity.

Andrea Kleid: 34:31

After that I went to a radio station in West Palm Beach. I worked in promotions and radio, but I always stuck in my head in the music meetings because it mattered to me what was on the station. After that I went to the station in Sarasota, Tampa area. The first day I was there, also hired in promotions, the first day I was there I walked into the program director's office because I was 20-something and said what is this song playing on air right now? It sounds horrible. It was like a 25-year-old song. That was the beginning of me being in music meetings too, because I was like if you're my age, you're not going to listen to the station. I started being a little. I guess I've always been a little outspoken.

Andrea Kleid: 35:22

I am an IEP, it also mattered to me what there was always a sound I was looking for too at radio. It's not just a great song, but the mix is so important as well. Just like in a playlist, I always enjoyed that sort of curating when it came to putting songs next to one another.

Chris Estes: 35:46

That's the magic of radio. We were talking about this when I was inviting you to the show. I feel like the college radio back in when I was coming up in the 90s and getting involved in indie music. That was the thing If you had college radio which had no rules and they would play whatever If you could get into the college music journal as an indie band. That was the original curators of hey. Here's the tone we're going to set for the night.

Andrea Kleid: 36:20

It's funny because when we were talking about all of that, I was like what was that magazine? You were like you were. Cmj when I was in college. I didn't realize it was a big opportunity at the time, but we had an NPR station that was in our studios. It was so cool to have it on a college campus. Back then we had a local show. We ran a lot of NPR programming. I put an article in CMJ and I just said new indie local show on Saturday nights and Murray, kentucky. Send your demos, chris.

Andrea Kleid: 36:56

My favorite thing in the world is to go check my mail because they would literally bring me one of those big plastic mail things instead of it wasn't even in my box, it's like my college dorm mailbox and all these amazing people from all over the country that read CMJ sent me these demos and so many of them were terrible and so many of them were awesome.

Andrea Kleid: 37:20

It felt like a true free enterprise back then in so many ways that's why I love college radio, but also that's what made me fall in love with AAA radio, which is kind of a dying breed around these parts. We've got one here in Nashville called Lightning 100, but when I realized AAA was a thing it was not until I was in my 20s I was like, oh, that's where it's at, until I realized you can't make any money in it. But same idea is like. It's truly like the local artist. It's about the song and it's about telling your story and it just felt like less of a constricted format where you don't have to top of the hour, you don't have to hit your call, whatever. That's called like 96.2.

Andrea Kleid: 38:15

You just do whatever you want and people listen.

Chris Estes: 38:19

We have a station like that, mobile, that's 92 Zoo. I think it may be a AAA, whatever type station, but the founder he just passed his name was Kat Certen, and my wife and I it was like a couple weeks ago when he passed away and he's a groundbreaking guy, but he was that thing. He had the cultural like hey, they had a brown bag in Beamble Square where you'd show up and they'd have local artists, they would sponsor it. He had a Sunday Jazz brunch. He actually died in the studio while he was programming at a show on Sunday morning. They found him at his desk Peacefully, just like he died in his sleep and doing what he loved to do.

Chris Estes: 38:58

But we were on our honeymoon in Mexico, on the island on Isla Mujares, which is off of Cancun. We bought this little radio from a Walmart there just so we could have music, and we literally picked up the station. He had this program called Nocturnal Admissions, which is a funny name, but he would basically program what he wants through the whole night. It was like a four hour program. So we're down there and we picked up 92 Zoo for like hours.

Andrea Kleid: 39:25

Oh my gosh that's such a cool thing about radio too. It's like at night, when there's not a lot going on in the atmosphere. I mean I remember doing that in Northern Kentucky where I grew up. I could pick up stations in New York at night. It was incredible and yeah. And then I mean we can't. We can't not talk about the countdown shows of radio.

Andrea Kleid: 39:46

Oh yeah, come on, I mean I lived and died for, like Casey Kasem's top 40 and and even the TV shows. Like I loved Soul Train, I loved what was the other one.

Chris Estes: 39:59

That was like everybody's looking at us Soul. Train they had they had a bunch on MTV. They had I mean, I remember MTV programming a bunch of shows like that yeah. Trl UMTV raps Headbangers Ball, like that was all kind of curator of that.

Chris Estes: 40:17

All right, so what songs have had the most impact on your? You know, I would say on your, your work and the stuff you've done in the industry. Like what would you say? Like what are some of those songs? You're like man. These ones really impacted me the most to shape what you do.

Andrea Kleid: 40:34

You know, when you ask that question, I think about something that really helped me learn, something that helped change my way of thinking Professionally. I had this moment where we had taken this label that I was at from basically the number 8 to 10 market share to the top three market share over about 8 years. During that time, towards the end of my time there, I got a call from this guy named Mike Weaver. He's a lead singer of a band called Big Daddy Weave. Mike is the most humble guy you've ever met, hilarious as well, but he had never in my time at this label, he had never really called me and challenged me. Or I had lots of artists that would call and go what are you thinking? Or managers for that matter. But he called me and he said, hey, I got this song and something's happening with it out here on the road, clyde, and I was like, oh, tell me about it. And the reason that matter that he had never called me is we've had artists who are like I know what's next and after a while you get tired of hearing it and you're like I don't know if you really do, but he had such a humble way of going about this and he just shared we're playing this song every night. It's not what people would expect to be a radio song, and he didn't tell me what it was at first, but he just keeps telling me and he goes. So we've been on the road and we're playing this and there's some crazy stuff happening in the audience when we play this song and I was like tell me. He's like just people are being moved afterwards, they're coming up and telling us stories about their lives and he's like stuff that people would never say in these concerts before.

Andrea Kleid: 42:29

And so I said OK, what song is it, mike? And he says the song called Redeemed. And I said I knew the song and the version of the song on his album was more than five minutes, which with radio we like to stay under four minutes. So but those are all like editable things. And I said, mike, that's the slowest song on your record. And he said I know it is. He goes, but we go listen with with the different ears this time. And I said I will. So I got off the phone and I went and listened to it. And the funny thing is in radio we spend. We spend a lot of time on the radio songs that we choose. We spend a lot of time with records once they're made, because we're looking for those radio songs and I had heard this song plenty of times.

Andrea Kleid: 43:16

But having his perspective and him telling me that from a live standpoint this song was lighting people up, it was connecting at a level he hadn't seen before, that meant the world to me, and so I listened to it and I remember turning it off and going gosh because I thought I got to go make this a radio song.

Andrea Kleid: 43:37

I heard it from you, I knew that he was right, I knew, and so the reason that song always stands out to me and I often tell it to like young radio promoters is we get so stuck in this idea of like it's got to sound a certain way and look, we have that thought because radio tells us that they want tempo, they don't want people to fall asleep while listening, they don't want to punch off their station once they hear a song that's just like OK. And so that's our job as ANR people and radio people to really go like how can we make the producers honestly have a big hand in making songs that aren't necessarily radio radio? But anyway, we made a single version of that song and it was the biggest song to date that I've ever worked and that could have gone differently. It could have. I could have easily said you're wrong, you're crazy.

Chris Estes: 44:36

Yeah.

Andrea Kleid: 44:36

No, we've got this other song that sounds more radio, but I trusted him and I trusted that.

Andrea Kleid: 44:41

You know he took the time to share with me what's happening in real life, and I think that's what's important in the music industry is so many times we just sit with headphones on, you know, staring at song space or drop box or whatever we've been sent songs in and we're doing something else or we're, you know, we're just half paying attention or we're just in our own little bubble.

Andrea Kleid: 45:03

And that's I've always said. It's so important to get out and see artists live and recognize, like what the fans and the listeners how they're experiencing these songs, because if you're not out there, you, you, you were so cut off from the emotion that is happening in the spaces where concerts and shows happen, and so that was an example for me. I remember the first time I went out after the song I don't know if it was at number one yet, but it was way up the chart and doing very well. So a lot of people is familiar with a lot of people and I went to one of their shows and watched the audience sing that song and I had to go to the back and like sit down. I was so moved by it.

Andrea Kleid: 45:47

It was just those moments of going like thankfully I was in the flow at that moment and I wasn't letting my ego run the show, you know and I trusted that, that he was right and I'm glad we did. Yeah, yeah check that song out, that'll move you.

Chris Estes: 46:02

It's a good song, it stands up. I heard John Merritt speak to Berkeley, the Berkeley students, and he is interesting. He said what, what Mike experienced with that song. He said you can try to be as clever as you want and think, think what you want about your own songs and want to get behind a certain song or whatever. Is it that ultimately, you're not going to be smarter than the audience? The audience is going to decide what that song is and they're going to be moved by it.

Chris Estes: 46:33

And he said I've had great hunches and I've had wrong hunches, but the audience always has the right experience with it and I think that's the power of song set. That do impact people. And the thing I love about our industry is it's all built around song Like. Now people say we're in the song economy because it's all play listing and streaming and blah, blah blah.

Chris Estes: 46:51

But even before that radio vinyl, all the history of music was, you know, you talk about, even back to Beethoven. All those guys like they have songs that people know and they have a catalog of songs that people also may know. But the songs, the group of songs that always kind of lead the way of of a career, of a career for an artist or songwriter, but also the people that work in the industry. So one of the questions I want to ask you was around that, like, what songs right now Do you feel like you're, you know that that you, that you're your love working on that you feel like have a chance to, to have that impact? Or you know what's some of the favorite songs that you're, you're currently working around and you can?

Chris Estes: 47:39

mention the band that we're also.

Andrea Kleid: 47:43

I will, um, you know it. Just, everything you just said kind of brings up a lot, because I, I, um, whenever I work with an artist, I like to remind them that, although my profession says I need to find hooky radio songs, I'm I'm a deep cuts kind of person on the side, and so I've been known to take songs that aren't necessarily radio and try and break them. You know, um, and I say that because, uh, there's this group here in town, in Nashville, called Mission House, and it's, uh, it's Jess Ray and Taylor Linhart, uh, two, two females in this band called Mission House, and that was an example of working a song that I was like oh man, this is it, like, this is so special. And there's a song of theirs called I don't have much, and it's almost written more like a poem than than even a song, because it's a lot of it's, there's some repetitive lines, but they start by saying how can I respond to the love you've lavished on me? And then the chorus is simple, but it says, um, I don't have much, but I have a heart that beats for you, um, and it is just so simple and so perfect. And, anyway, that is one song that got left on the table, in my opinion. Um, that's been hard to work, but everybody should check out Mission House, um, and then, you know, right now you and I are working on a project together and that is really.

Andrea Kleid: 49:22

I'm very passionate about it. It's incredible and it's it's uh, two guys, jordan and Steve, uh, and the name of the band is called sons, the band, and, um, I'm just like so proud of what you've done with them, what they've done, songwriting wise. And then, um, our friend David Leonard produced it. Um, and I'm just so proud of these songs, you know, and you find people like that, I, that's a thing to me on the industry side. I love finding good people, I want good people to win and, whether you like it or not, I spend more time on the good people and their songs, you know, because, um, it's a, it's a tough industry out here and it's like, uh, we got to treat people well, you know. Otherwise, it's like, what is the point? Like, at the end of the day, we have our hearts and our reputations and um, so, all that to say, I'm I'm pumped about the single we have with sons called goodness gracious. Um, they also have another song. Remind me of the name of it that I uh power of our praise.

Andrea Kleid: 50:24

Yeah, Power of our praise Um such great songwriters.

Chris Estes: 50:29

Um, I think it's only ever good, as a one you're thinking of. Oh, only ever good, yeah, yeah.

Andrea Kleid: 50:32

Feel free to edit that. Whoever's editing, we'll keep it in. Yeah, only ever good is, oh man. Everybody go look up that video, yeah.

Chris Estes: 50:41

It is still sick.

Andrea Kleid: 50:42

Perfect. It's such a great song. Um, so, yeah, um, and also, you know, I've had a blast um being a part of, um working with Andrew Rip and Rachel Lampa.

Chris Estes: 50:53

Yeah, Um great.

Andrea Kleid: 50:55

Andrew came out of the pop scene and um, we've had several songs that worked really well at radio for him. And then he happened to be friends with Rachel Lampa, who many people may know of from the early 2000s. She launched, launched in 2000 as like a 15 year old in the industry and then went away and did other things. It became a mom and all the things. And Andrew just happened to be in a small group with her um and live in life. Their family is living life together and um, you know, just to see that 20 years later, I am such I mean everyone can guess from from this, from this episode but I'm such a big supporter of female artists, um, and to see someone as good of a person with good of a heart.

Andrea Kleid: 51:38

I mean she and her family, the Lampa family, run people loving Nashville, here in town, and it's a um, it's a nonprofit organization that um spends time bringing honor to homeless people and um, and just loving on them. And every Monday they do this giant event where they feed people downtown and and and bring in barbers and all kinds of people just to love on these folks who don't have homes. And um, that's who she is. She works in prison ministry and all kinds of stuff and it's like man, I just love working with people who have a heart for others. You know, like to me, that that beats everything, even talent.

Chris Estes: 52:22

Yeah, yeah, and also I think it feeds their creativity.

Chris Estes: 52:26

I think, when you're, when you're when you're rooted in stuff like that, that'll definitely come out in the creative expression, and that's really. I have one more question that I would love your, your perspective, your wisdom, your experiences. Like, how would you cause? This podcast is all about the power of songs in a lot of different aspects to that, but how would you describe the power of songs that you? Would you know? If you're trying to describe it to somebody, how would you, how would you explain what you've experienced with the power of songs and just in general, the power of of it?

Andrea Kleid: 53:02

Yeah, I would say. For me personally, it's when I've heard a song and then have to go look up the lyrics immediately.

Chris Estes: 53:12

Yeah.

Andrea Kleid: 53:13

And go through them like line by line, wondering if they wrote the song about the same thing. That it means to me. You know, like so, to me that's connection, you know it's me going. I'm not alone here, I somebody else has felt that before and that is so powerful, like I believe the one reason I'm on this earth is connection. And yet that's the hardest thing for some of us, right, because it includes vulnerability. But so for me definitely like that moment of like oh, my God, you wrote that song for me. I needed to hear that or I didn't know anyone else has ever felt that before. Thank you for putting that into words.

Andrea Kleid: 53:56

So it's sort of like finding that missing piece of a puzzle and just putting it in and going like okay, for a moment, when I listen to that four minute song or whatever it is, things feel. Things feel okay, or I feel less alone. I guess is how I would put that as far as a power of a song. And then, from a professional standpoint, I think that's standing in a room After you've worked a song at radio and hearing the entire crowd sing it. It's, it gives me goosebumps to this day, you know, when you've had an opportunity to work a song and know that just a tiny little part of that. So many people had their hands on that song to get it where it is and then to hear an entire crowd sing it. It just is like a giant warm blanket.

Chris Estes: 54:49

That's a great way to explain it. Yeah gosh, that's, that's so good. I think that's perfect. So we're I'm going to create a playlist and I'll have our guests kind of curate that with me on Spotify.

Chris Estes: 55:05

The songs that are impactful, and we played this game on the on the radio tour of sons of band where we all picked the song, like a song from somebody we didn't know. That it was really fun because, you know, four of us in the car, we all had different tastes, but the game was to try to pick something that's that no one may have heard before and it was pretty, pretty fun. So, like what songs right now you listen to? That any genre that that are impacting you? That that will make this playlist, but you want to share.

Andrea Kleid: 55:41

The first one that comes to mind is a song by Joy. A lot of Coon and I learned about joy from through Brandy Clark, no, through Brandy Carlisle. Brandy Clark is also awesome and there's a song called changes that you know. Joy talks a lot about struggles of life and she's a young folk singer. I would even go as far as to say she's potentially the Joni Mitchell of our time. This song, changes, just wrecks me every time I hear it. It's very simple, but it's just a reminder that we're all going through changes and that it's going to be okay. You know which we all need to hear, I think. And then I would just say anything by Nathaniel Ratliff, like I just absolutely love songwriting.

Andrea Kleid: 56:28

He's incredible. I'm a big fan of Wild Rivers and Lake Street Dive, Head and the Heart. Anything that's like folky and whimsical, like lots of harmonies, I just, I just love. But there's a let me look up this Lake Street Dive song real quick that I've been loving Okay.

Chris Estes: 56:59

Lake Street Dive is that? Is that a?

Andrea Kleid: 57:01

you want to say drive, but it's dive every time.

Chris Estes: 57:05

Yeah it's kind of a play on exactly.

Andrea Kleid: 57:10

So they have a song. Sorry, you have to edit this. Whoever's editing so much I mean anything from them is incredible. But there is a song called I can change which I find funny that both these songs are about change. But, holy cow, go look at the lyrics. It's got 37 million listens and it's from 2018, but you don't know who they are. I mean, they're just freaking cool. Live amazing harmonies.

Chris Estes: 57:42

Yeah.

Andrea Kleid: 57:43

So, yeah, those would be my two right now that are in my mix.

Chris Estes: 57:47

Nice, nice. What's the genre that you listen to that we would not expect. Like what's a.

Andrea Kleid: 57:55

Um, well, I've given away folk, I'm not. I'm pretty easy read. Um, let's see, I do love 90s country, like when I'm on a road trip. I do love to dive into that. Um, yeah, I'm not too, I guess, andy Rock, I mean, I do love like, I do love like boy genius and um, you know, um I'm, and do you say Haim or Haim?

Chris Estes: 58:24

I say Haim.

Andrea Kleid: 58:25

Okay.

Chris Estes: 58:26

I can see you go both ways. Do you ever like go back to your childhood soundtracks and just popping a little new kids in the block every now and then?

Andrea Kleid: 58:35

No, no, I will not do it. I won't do it. I guess the most surprising would be hip hop. I do love some hip hop, um, but a lot of it's older hip hop and it's because it's nostalgic, you know, I guess post balon would be a surprise, like that's very different than what I normally listen to you. But man, I just I can't get enough of that guy. Like I think he's a trainwreck and in the best ways, like I love a great trainwreck and he just will always tell the truth. He's got a new album out called Austin.

Chris Estes: 59:07

Everybody should check out as well. Yeah, it's a great album. Yeah, it's a great writer. He's a great writer. Such a good writer, such a good writer.

Andrea Kleid: 59:13

Yeah, what if I just said Taylor Swift, would you be shocked?

Chris Estes: 59:17

I wouldn't be shocked. I mean, like I, got respect. I got respect. She's been around for a minute. Yeah, I think it's clever. She's doing the Ares tour, which really does speak to well she's done, but yeah, she's. I think she's one of those artists that's going to be around for a while. She obviously has a tremendous fan base. That's crazy in love with her. Whenever your fan base goes by a nickname and they just like their army, that's when you know you're.

Andrea Kleid: 59:45

I know, like that's the thing is. I do love some Taylor songs. It's I'm not somebody that like knows every song, but I mean you know she's got a lot of flack in her career and she deserves a lot of respect. I'm sorry, but yeah she doesn't.

Chris Estes: 1:00:02

I like her to folk albums that she did during the event. We're really good. I was a little disappointed with what she did with Vernon from Bonavir because I had higher expectations. But then as I listened to it more I'm like, okay, it makes sense for the song. I actually wanted it to be a little bit different, but that's pretty good.

Andrea Kleid: 1:00:20

So I'm trying to pull up this other song. Let me see. Oh also. So there was this, this super group that Brandy Carlyle and her crew, marin Morris, created called the High Women, and it was.

Andrea Kleid: 1:00:39

it was made after the high highway men, which was a thing in the day with all you know, chris Christoff, for sending all those guys. Yeah, so that record I mean it's probably a couple years old now, but there's. There's a song on there called crowded table that I think is written. You remember that quote. That says something like rather have a longer table than a. I don't know what the quote is but they wrote this song called crowded table. That is incredible and it's like four women on it. It's really good.

Chris Estes: 1:01:10

Yeah, that's awesome.

Andrea Kleid: 1:01:12

Cut that off.

Chris Estes: 1:01:14

I love it. Chop it, Chop it. Editor. Chop it up, chop it up. Well, it's been great having you on, andrea. Do you want to any other words of wisdom or perspective you want to drop before we we wrap?

Andrea Kleid: 1:01:29

I would just emphasize connection, like I think that's the whole thing with music is, whether that you're in the industry or just enjoying music. Like look for the connection, because you know, music has always been political. We think now, like you know, you've got the folks who are like super right wing and super liberal and all that and we're like when did music get political? It's always been political. Look at Sinead O'Connor, like it is what it is. But try to get past that and just listen to the songs. You know and I can't handle when everything is political at all. But I think if we can focus on connection and that we all have similar feelings, and if we can make that, why we listen and how we can stay together, like go to a show, go out to an outdoor show at like a Sunday amphitheater here in Nashville, so fun. You look around and you're like I may not have anything in common with these folks, but we're singing the same songs together and I think that's the magic of music.

Chris Estes: 1:02:34

That is yeah, it does inspire music and it's what happens in the live atmosphere. You get people you mentioned this when we were talking earlier about this this episode that Radio really was a catalyst for an audience being able to sing songs back to the artist in the live atmosphere which is an accurate and still plays a part so well. We could go on for hours. This could be like a jar of broken three hour episode. Who wanted to be?

Andrea Kleid: 1:03:02

We can, we really can. We need some sponsors though.

Chris Estes: 1:03:06

So probably should wrap it. I don't even know how long it says, but it's fun though. It's been so fun. So, andrea, thanks for being my first guest.

Andrea Kleid: 1:03:17

I love your perspective.

Chris Estes: 1:03:18

Actually, if you could just send me a picture for the show notes of you and the boombox and where I fit you wore, that would be awesome, oh man.

Andrea Kleid: 1:03:27

I've got some like red gloves involved. You know what I mean.

Chris Estes: 1:03:31

Back in the day I supported some gloves, I did the, I did the whole like one glove thing and the finger missed. The whole eighties was just a thing.

Andrea Kleid: 1:03:40

You know, did you paint your fingernails like black.

Chris Estes: 1:03:43

I never painted the fingernails. I did do, I did the hair, I did the sit. Back in the day you had to bleach. Remember the Jean Jack is that you had to bleach yourself like you didn't sell them like that. So you had it. You had to tear holes in your pants yourself, you had to bleach yourself and then I did my. I loved rat the band so I had the bangs down in my mouth and I died. That front bang part blonde and wow.

Andrea Kleid: 1:04:07

Do you have photos that we could share?

Chris Estes: 1:04:09

I think I have to find one of those. I don't know if I have. I think I may have one of that. My yearbook picture was with that, that look.

Andrea Kleid: 1:04:15

So was it like a Justin Bieber bang thing.

Chris Estes: 1:04:18

It was like.

Chris Estes: 1:04:19

so you guys probably know when I remember his rat there, I remember that kind of a hard rock, glam rock kind of band, more, more hard rock in the eighties and Stephen Pierce, a lead singer, had these bangs that kind of swooped down and came down to about his coverage, his whole whole eye down, half his nose down to his mouth kind of curly, and I was like so moved by that that I grew I grew that out as well, naturally had a part that way, and then I died it just to go a little extra mile with it, and then I went to school like that. So a lot of times in classes I was just out the one. I look at the teacher.

Andrea Kleid: 1:04:57

I'm pretty good to love it. You know our shared friend that you have nicknamed blaze. She had a. She had a tea boss season where she had. She wore the tea boss hair, yeah, and I got to see pictures of that and it just brought me so much joy that we are so inspired by these artists.

Chris Estes: 1:05:18

That's a thing they can inspire, that's how it moves culture and I think hip hop, senate, you know dramatically, and rock and everything but like it literally can change the way you look, you dress, you feel the whole. Yeah.

Andrea Kleid: 1:05:32

I mean look at grunge in Seattle, Like what we do without grunge 100% like that.

Chris Estes: 1:05:37

That was really the heyday of plaid like plaid stuff in the in the grunge era.

Andrea Kleid: 1:05:42

So we can think grunge for plaid guys.

Chris Estes: 1:05:45

Yeah, yeah, it's interesting, it's still. I think now it's high fashion that music moves a little bit. You know a lot of that going on, but yeah, back to me If you could see my outfits today. I'm sure it's very high fashion.

Andrea Kleid: 1:06:00

We're wearing standard industry black right now, but yes, we are, and we stand in the back with our arms.

Chris Estes: 1:06:07

Yeah, oh yeah, All right. Well, this will wrap the episode. Thanks again under love. Love having you on and.

Andrea Kleid: 1:06:14

I've had a blast. Thanks for having me, chris.